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on the data. lori: will you look at technology stocks, apple in pretty good and go earnings are not robust at all comment and staying clear of those and perhaps sticking with the offensive things that continue to lead at least as leaders into the rally? >> i wouldn't exclude technology here for a few reasons. number one, when you look at the performance of tech versus the s&p or the value segment of the standard and poor's, we have a pretty good underperformance so we had some significant lagging and some notable names have been dragging down the index but ultimately if you look at the balance sheets that are relatively clean, relatively consistent cash flow from many of these, many of them are beginning to take dividendss or maturing and you can buy many attractive valuations. i wouldn't run away from technology. i would sharpen my pencil and decide which one you want to own as part of a diversified portfolio. lori: with apple shares, is that an opportunity for you? >> apple as an indication, broader indication of what is going on with technology, speak to it that way, a plastic example o
like to see, look, if mcdonald's can come out with killer products, apple -- are they both technology companies? is that where we are right now? >> apple has come out with incredible products. amazing products that have changed the world. >> that was the old days and the yankees used to be -- >> the ipad is only three years old, man. come on, give them a break. >> no. the market won't give them a break. i like the product, but who am i? >> that's complicated. >> it was not a rhetorical -- you know, we're not trying to figure out exactly whoi am. >> oh, okay. >> what we're trying to figure out how do they make i tunes better and how you want them to come out and say samsung, you're history because we have this. instead of samsung having, what? eight pages. >> you're not going get that in an earnings report. >> someone innovates and someone else comes in with a pretty good or good enough and that's why people are talking about the lower end and the medium end. >> there are some people who their samsung phones have technology whether it's the ability to change language quickly and a numb
, and the energy sector, productivity through technology and mobility and what that really means and lastly, what we're seeing in terms of manufacturing efficiencies in america being competitive globally today. all of this gives you more impetus here than you would think. that's so 2003. that was the story we should have been talking about ten years ago when the stocks are reflective. >> when they're playing consumer stocks, are they looking at it wrong? >> i think some of the consumer discretionary stocks are stretched and not that we have a worry about the consumer and tax refunds will start coming now. credit conditions support employment and certainly consumer staples look very expensive. >> what about utilities up 19% so far this year? utilities are up 16% and health care up 19%. is your money safe in there? will they continue to hold up? >> we've been overweight utilities so i'm not going to be too uncomfortable with that and that's improvement with natural gas prices and in health care it's been very much about dividends and that we saw reimbursement rates that were supposed to be cut reca
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